TWR012 - Fires and Darkness

George Floyd

(recorded on June 1, 2020)


We are back, just the two of us, and we are in the mood. In this evening conversation we try to make some sense of what is going on at the moment. 

As we experience the possibility of opening our venues again, we need to speak about dealing with the risks – which Berlin virologist Christian Drosten called “dancing with the tiger”. 

Marije speaks about the project “1000 Fires Burning” – a cooperative message from artists and culture makers from all over the world. On July 25 this summer, you can take part and present a “fire” and share it with the hashtag #1000FiresBurning. A fire can be a performance, a song, an installation, a poem, a dance… 

We argue that if the big festivals are cancelled and lost, we should have a summer of many small events, interventions, invitations that offer places and situations to meet safely. Small campfires to grill marshmallows, listen to stories and get an understanding of each others lives. 

In the end we turn to the events in USA following the assassination of George Floyd by Police, Simon recommends listening to the latest, raging Episode of the Tomorrow Podcast and to what Trevor Noah had to say about it.

The cover foto shows a mural in Minneapolis, a collaborative project by artists Xena GoldmanCadex Herrera, Greta McLain, Niko Alexander, and Pablo Hernandez, that centers George Floyd within a sunflower. He’s surrounded by the names of others killed by police, in addition to protestors. The 20-by-6.5-foot project is located near the Cup Foods where Floyd died.

00:00 Stray Leaves Conversation
07:28 The Hammer and the Dance…
17:48 …and the Tiger
23:27 1000 Fires Burning
33:12 How to dance
40:44 Where’s the money?
47:33 Unrest, George Floyd, Listening


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